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Quick thought of the day....

Post by quicksilver » Wed Feb 22, 2017 4:38 pm

Instead of creating new laws to address crime, why don't we just enforce the ones currently on the books?
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Re: Quick thought of the day....

Post by Alec Taylor » Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:07 pm

Some laws need revision, I think. A friend of mine had the police search his house because they had a warrant against his housemate. The cop found my friend's little bag of weed, and boom. He's convicted of a felony, spent a month in jail, isn't allowed to move out of Maryville for one year, and isn't even allowed to vote. He's also periodically tested for drugs and alcohol, since he can't even drink alcohol until his one year is up. All for a single bag of weed.

Make it legal, keep it illegal, I don't really care. But that seems a bit steep just for someone that gets high while doing their homework.
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Re: Quick thought of the day....

Post by Artisan » Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:45 pm

The people that need them enforced are the people with money, therefore power, and they can weasel their way out of it. "Too much paperwork" as the phrase goes. Like Alec said, the "nobodies" are the ones receiving the brunt of the bullshit.

I've got a buddy who isn't in the best spot of his life. He just recently lost his family and his home, and on top of college fees and other bills that he now needs to pay, he's losing his love for music because of the music program he's enrolled in. And he has a bunch of other classes. He's not suicidal but he's definitely battling some tough depression as you could imagine. So about two weeks ago he had a ton of homework to do, and he lost track of the time while doing it and missed his shift at work. His boss immediately decided that he must be trying to kill himself - clearly, the only conclusion - and so while he was doing his homework, an armed police squad broke into his apartment and dragged him to a mental hospital where he spent five hours until he was able to convince them that he wasn't suicidal and had lost track of time with all the homework he had to do. Now he has to pay the inconvenience fee of that on top of everything. Luckily there is a program where if you can prove that it's BS, you can have those charges dropped; he's doing a lot better now. But it's a real shame that this gets thrown on him during one of the darkest periods of his life just because somebody else prematurely judged his character.

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Post by The Silver Lining » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:05 pm

Artisan wrote:The people that need them enforced are the people with money, therefore power, and they can weasel their way out of it. "Too much paperwork" as the phrase goes. Like Alec said, the "nobodies" are the ones receiving the brunt of the bullshit.

I've got a buddy who isn't in the best spot of his life. He just recently lost his family and his home, and on top of college fees and other bills that he now needs to pay, he's losing his love for music because of the music program he's enrolled in. And he has a bunch of other classes. He's not suicidal but he's definitely battling some tough depression as you could imagine. So about two weeks ago he had a ton of homework to do, and he lost track of the time while doing it and missed his shift at work. His boss immediately decided that he must be trying to kill himself - clearly, the only conclusion - and so while he was doing his homework, an armed police squad broke into his apartment and dragged him to a mental hospital where he spent five hours until he was able to convince them that he wasn't suicidal and had lost track of time with all the homework he had to do. Now he has to pay the inconvenience fee of that on top of everything. Luckily there is a program where if you can prove that it's BS, you can have those charges dropped; he's doing a lot better now. But it's a real shame that this gets thrown on him during one of the darkest periods of his life just because somebody else prematurely judged his character.
This is why I go by the following rule: when trying to help someone, the more brazen your act of help is, the more important it is to double-check its appropriateness.
That boss really should have called, and if in doubt, gone there or sent someone there before resorting to calling the police.

But I digress, I think. I agree very much with what Quicksilver said. Belgium really has a problem with creating law after law to battle some symptoms, while never addressing the real problem. The real problem probably becomes even more untreatable, because all those new laws have made the justice system so much more complicated and unreliable.
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Re: Quick thought of the day....

Post by Alec Taylor » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:34 pm

It's just like that time my heart stopped back in high school and those assholes called an ambulance. Ambulances are expensive, I'd rather have either died or had my parents rush me to the hospital. Both of those options would have been faster and cheaper. Isn't it strange how it's free to call the police or the firefighters, but it costs a fortune to call an ambulance? Why does that emergency service cost money? I'm fine with paying for a doctor or for healthcare and medicine, but Jesus Christ ambulances are an emergency response team like police and fire, why aren't those free too?

I think the ultimate problem of trying to create laws that deal with the root issue is that it's impossible. The root of all crime is human nature, and no law will take care of that. But there is this system in the United States where if you even imply that you're homicidal, suicidal, or are/have been abused in any way, that person is legally obligated to turn you into the authorities without your consent. I got strongarmed last June into medical care because they threatened to have me reported under bogus claims. Because I'm "mentally disordered" it's their word against mine. I had to pay for treatment, pay for medicine, pay for consultation, but after my mandatory one visit I cancelled all future appointments, ended contact with that therapist, and flushed the meds down the toilet.

Obviously they really cared about my well being since they never tried to contact me again despite knowing my phone number and home address.
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Post by quicksilver » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:04 pm

The gist of today's thought was the fact that our Mayor (Milwaukee) wants to introduce a number of new guns laws designed to curb violence. The problem I have is that we have numerous guns laws already and all we need to do is prosecute violators to the existing laws and that would do the job, at least a good start. Guns aren't the problem, its the fact that these judges who are in the Mayors pocket release these people back into society so quickly that they go right back to committing crimes- where's the deterrent?
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Post by Alec Taylor » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:18 pm

quicksilver wrote:The gist of today's thought was the fact that our Mayor (Milwaukee) wants to introduce a number of new guns laws designed to curb violence. The problem I have is that we have numerous guns laws already and all we need to do is prosecute violators to the existing laws and that would do the job, at least a good start. Guns aren't the problem, its the fact that these judges who are in the Mayors pocket release these people back into society so quickly that they go right back to committing crimes- where's the deterrent?
It's like going out to buy a screwdriver when you already have a perfectly good cordless drill. Use what you have!

What's strange is that I live in a place where almost everyone has a gun, there are zero gun laws, and virtually no gun-related crimes. Supposedly no gun laws means people will go out and shoot each other up, yet that really doesn't happen here where people aren't complete dipshits. :lol:
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Re: Quick thought of the day....

Post by Dyolf » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:49 pm

Due to my position in the judicial system, I'll refrain from taking part in this thread, despite having my own opinions on the topic.
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Post by Alec Taylor » Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:21 am

Dyolf wrote:Due to my position in the judicial system

Are you like a judge or something? Because that would be pretty neat tbh. I used to sit in on courtroom sessions when I worked for the sheriff, since I had to sit with inmates during their sentencing and escort them back and forth between the jail and the courthouse, and it was a lot of fun to be a part of that process.
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Post by quicksilver » Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:51 pm

Quick thought of the day:

I miss the days when people actually held the door open for a woman and smiled and said good morning.
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Re: Quick thought of the day....

Post by Artisan » Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:09 pm

I can't be bothered to smile or say hello, but I always hold the door, because if nothing else it gives me an excuse to check my phone while I still have a little bit of reception.

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Re: Quick thought of the day....

Post by quicksilver » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:38 pm

I believe that if we as a society can stress common politeness through the small things that we do for others, that will eventually develop into a healthier respect for all.
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Post by The Silver Lining » Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:41 pm

I find this one a bit strange, to be honest. Where I work, people hold the door for everyone all the time. And that's in a building that houses four different companies, so most people you run into aren't colleagues of yours at all.
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Post by quicksilver » Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:17 pm

It does sound strange, but it seems like just the basic courtesies that used to be part of normal life have gone by the wayside. These are just my observations and I certainly don't mean everyone, but basic acts such as holding doors open, saying hello, smiling, helping the elderly carry groceries - things like that.
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Re: Quick thought of the day....

Post by Alec Taylor » Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:40 pm

Where I'm from, you sort of give a little wave when you pass by people on the highway. No reason for it, just a bit of courtesy. It shouldn't mean that much, but it irks me when people don't give a little wave back. You can tell someone isn't from here if they don't wave back, because that is the kind of hospitality you expect from a "good ol' boy" here in the Midwest.

By the way quick question for quicksilver: do you consider Wisconsin to be part of the Midwest or part of the Rust Belt? I know which one I would choose, but I'm not from there and am curious as to how you feel.
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Post by quicksilver » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:31 pm

Alec Taylor wrote:Where I'm from, you sort of give a little wave when you pass by people on the highway. No reason for it, just a bit of courtesy. It shouldn't mean that much, but it irks me when people don't give a little wave back. You can tell someone isn't from here if they don't wave back, because that is the kind of hospitality you expect from a "good ol' boy" here in the Midwest.

By the way quick question for quicksilver: do you consider Wisconsin to be part of the Midwest or part of the Rust Belt? I know which one I would choose, but I'm not from there and am curious as to how you feel.
I think nowadays most Wisconsinites would identify themselves as being part of the Midwest rather than the rust belt. That may have been different a hundred years ago when we actually had a heavy industrial manufacturing base but not anymore. Plus, outside of the very southeastern part of the state most of the industry is farming and paper mills.
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Post by Alec Taylor » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:25 pm

Do the people around where you live have any particular accent? Some of the older or more rural folk around here definitely have a Southern flavor to their speech, but for the most part my neck of the woods really doesn't have a pronounced accent (since we speak General/Standard American). I do take on a more Southern drawl when the young people I work with start acting like "ugh I hate inbred rednecks they're all so uneducated" because they're all from somewhere else but I'm local. It really gets under their skin how fast I can turn my accent on and off, and they can't fathom someone as "hip" and "cool" as me being farm-raised and not being a stereotypical hick. :lol:
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Post by quicksilver » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:49 pm

Most of my vendors are from the East Coast and they think I sound like I come farm a farm. Not sure if I should take that as a compliment or not :D
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Post by Alec Taylor » Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:35 pm

Someone at a gas station in Iowa asked me where I was from based on my "accent", and I said Missouri. They were like "oh, so the South"? :evil: Like Iowa has room to talk, they're basically Canada once you get much further north than Clarinda.
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Post by The Silver Lining » Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:42 pm

Today I learned: The only part of USA that's higher up North than me is Alaska.

I always thought New York was about my latitude.
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Post by Artisan » Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:21 pm

Really? Belgium is deep in the pits of hell too?

EDIT: Confused latitude with altitude. Ignore that.
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Alec Taylor wrote:
Dyolf wrote:Due to my position in the judicial system

Are you like a judge or something? Because that would be pretty neat tbh. I used to sit in on courtroom sessions when I worked for the sheriff, since I had to sit with inmates during their sentencing and escort them back and forth between the jail and the courthouse, and it was a lot of fun to be a part of that process.
Nothing so grand, but I do work for Her Majesty's Prison Service, so I need to be careful about my online footprint regarding what I discuss about my job or the wider judicial system in general.
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Post by quicksilver » Thu Mar 02, 2017 6:00 pm

I gave up procrastination for Lent.
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Post by quicksilver » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:04 pm

We have had very little snow this winter compared to past years. It was 65 degrees last week and today, I woke up to this..........

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